Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/04/Category:History of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt
Category:History of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt[edit]
I fear that this is a redundant (potentially nonsense) category. Everything before now qualifies as "history", therefore how to decide between categorizing media at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt and at this category? In my opinion this is a redundant, unuseful category. Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt is fully enough, especially as the whole bridge is not used for rail transport anymore. Kleeblatt187 (talk) 09:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kleeblatt187: It is a common and standard way of categorization that if we have a large number of historical images of any place or object, we create a special subcategory for them. If necessary, such a category can be further structured (by century, before/past reconstruction or repurposing etc.). If this particular bridge is no longer used for railway traffic, then the more relevant is the difference between historical pictures from the time when it was functional, and today's pictures from the time when the bridge only serves as a monument. It is certainly not "unuseful" nor "redundant" nor even "nonsense" to separate history from the present, or to sort photos by period. Therefore, there is no relevant reason to delete this category.
- Theoretically, there could be a problem in drawing the line between "history" and "the present". However, we have standard best practices across the Commons to address this issue. In the case of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt, so far, the border is very clear and distinct.
- I didn't understand why we should waste our time discussing this meaningful, useful and standard category. If you want to do something useful, try to focus more on constructive work. For example, Category:Zschopau (river) contains 499 unsorted, unorganized files. However, this can be solved by someone who has a sense of structuring content. --ŠJů (talk) 10:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments! To be honest: I'm not concerned about less than 100 files at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt. But I do worry about those files. --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Nevertheless: Where do you suppose images from the 1960s or the 1990s to be categorized, at Category:History of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt or rather at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt? At least I fear that the border is not obviously „very clear and distinct“ Regards, --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kleeblatt187: If useful, such a category can be further structured (by century, decade, before/past reconstruction or repurposing etc.). For now, the Brück & Sohn postcards are all from 1900s – 1920s and I can see no images from 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s. As soon as they appear, we can begin to address the question of whether it is appropriate to separate them in the categorization as well, and in what way. At the moment, we have a fairly large divide between the period of historical postcards and the period of modern digital photography, and the only scan from early 1990s is IMHO closer to the today's photos. It would also be possible to set aside Brück & Sohn postcards to their specific subcategory, if we want to separate them from other pictures from the same period. --ŠJů (talk) 20:25, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Most reasonable would probably be to move Category:History of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt to Category:Postcards of Hetzdorfer Viadukt. This would truely be „very clear and distinct“ – and fair enough as a subcategorization if still wanted and needed. And any other (non-postcard) file, no matter from which decade, remains at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt. Very clear and distinct. Regards, --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 21:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- @ŠJů: solution per @Kleeblatt187 (stated on 4 June 2021) Estopedist1 (talk) 14:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most reasonable would probably be to move Category:History of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt to Category:Postcards of Hetzdorfer Viadukt. This would truely be „very clear and distinct“ – and fair enough as a subcategorization if still wanted and needed. And any other (non-postcard) file, no matter from which decade, remains at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt. Very clear and distinct. Regards, --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 21:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kleeblatt187: If useful, such a category can be further structured (by century, decade, before/past reconstruction or repurposing etc.). For now, the Brück & Sohn postcards are all from 1900s – 1920s and I can see no images from 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s. As soon as they appear, we can begin to address the question of whether it is appropriate to separate them in the categorization as well, and in what way. At the moment, we have a fairly large divide between the period of historical postcards and the period of modern digital photography, and the only scan from early 1990s is IMHO closer to the today's photos. It would also be possible to set aside Brück & Sohn postcards to their specific subcategory, if we want to separate them from other pictures from the same period. --ŠJů (talk) 20:25, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nevertheless: Where do you suppose images from the 1960s or the 1990s to be categorized, at Category:History of the Hetzdorfer Viadukt or rather at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt? At least I fear that the border is not obviously „very clear and distinct“ Regards, --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliments! To be honest: I'm not concerned about less than 100 files at Category:Hetzdorfer Viadukt. But I do worry about those files. --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't understand why we should waste our time discussing this meaningful, useful and standard category. If you want to do something useful, try to focus more on constructive work. For example, Category:Zschopau (river) contains 499 unsorted, unorganized files. However, this can be solved by someone who has a sense of structuring content. --ŠJů (talk) 10:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)