Commons:Categories for discussion/2022/12/Category:Ferry ports
Category:Ferry ports[edit]
The relation among Category:Ferry ports and its subcats Category:Ferry landings and Category:Ferry terminals needs to be sorted out. Right now Category:Ferry ports is the parent of the other two. However, Category:Ferry landings says, "Ferry landings are locations where ferries stop and embark or disembark passengers. Ferry landings may or may not have infrastructure such as ferry ports or ferry terminal buildings." That would suggest that Category:Ferry landings ought to be the parent, with the other two as subcats. Not sure of the proper relation between Category:Ferry ports and Category:Ferry terminals. Jmabel ! talk 23:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Agree Yes, Ferry landings should be the parent category, with Ferry ports, Ferry shelters and Ferry piers as subcategories. I think Ferry terminals should stay as a subcategory of Ferry ports because they (nearly?) always are at a ferry port.- But the structure of parent category Category:Landing (water transport) has now the same category structure, so that needs also a review; if we change it for Ferry ports, it should probebaly be changed there as well. JopkeB (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JopkeB: Normally a landing would be something within a port: a particular dock or quay in a "port" in the broad sense (e.g. a harbor). But "ferry port" doesn't usually mean "a port where ferries are among the ships that dock there". I suppose it could sometimes mean a group of landings or docks, dedicated to ferries, within a port, but usually it means pretty much exactly the same thing as a "ferry landing". At least in my experience, "ferry terminal" implies a facility, and I suppose it emphasizes the building rather than the dock, though at least around the Puget Sound/Salish Sea area we consider the dock itself part of the terminal. I suppose that if you have (for example) a river ferry that on one side or both has a dock that has no building, you'd call that a "landing" but not a "terminal". I also suppose that on a ferry that goes more or less straight across a relatively narrow river, you'd never call either end a "port". - Jmabel ! talk 04:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. JopkeB (talk) 04:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think that what is required is more than just a minor adjustment of categories. Some more substantial modification would seem appropriate. The expression "ferry port" is a little confusing. However, I would regard it as having the meaning assigned to it in the applicable Wikidata item, ie a "port with facilities for the loading and unloading of ferries". It could therefore include, eg, Category:Port of Dover, Kent, Category:Trelleborg harbour and Category:Überseehafen Rostock. "Ferry terminal" would be a structure, probably including a building of some description, at which ferries terminate and are loaded and unloaded. It would not necessarily be within a "ferry port" and would therefore not be a child category of "ferry port". It would include, eg, Category:Isle of Man ferry terminal, Liverpool and Category:Fährcenter Rostock. "Ferry pier" would be a pier or wharf at which ferries berth, probably ordinarily on a voyage from somewhere else to somewhere else. An example would be Category:Ferry wharves in Sydney. "Ferry landing" would be a facility falling short of a structure, at which ferries land; it would include sloped places at the side of rivers, etc. Again, it would not necessarily be within a "ferry port". Bahnfrend (talk) 10:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. JopkeB (talk) 04:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JopkeB: Normally a landing would be something within a port: a particular dock or quay in a "port" in the broad sense (e.g. a harbor). But "ferry port" doesn't usually mean "a port where ferries are among the ships that dock there". I suppose it could sometimes mean a group of landings or docks, dedicated to ferries, within a port, but usually it means pretty much exactly the same thing as a "ferry landing". At least in my experience, "ferry terminal" implies a facility, and I suppose it emphasizes the building rather than the dock, though at least around the Puget Sound/Salish Sea area we consider the dock itself part of the terminal. I suppose that if you have (for example) a river ferry that on one side or both has a dock that has no building, you'd call that a "landing" but not a "terminal". I also suppose that on a ferry that goes more or less straight across a relatively narrow river, you'd never call either end a "port". - Jmabel ! talk 04:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)